BTW: when the KFC calls their editions (of Ḥafṣ and of Dūrī) on 522 pages "Šamarlī" it shows that they are igorant: almost 100 years before the Egyptian publisher produced a muṣḥaf with the famous 15-line-on522-pages layout, Muṣṭafā Naẓīf Qadirġaī had written one in Istanbul, and Šamarli had others formats AND there is not ONE Muḥammad Saʿd Ibrāhīm al-Ḥaddād editionas there is not THE Madina al-Nabawiyya Edition, but ten, as there is not THE Madina ʿUṯmān Ṭaha edition of Ḥafṣ but almost fifty three if one looks at substantial differences (not at colour, size, decoration etc.), there are many different Kazan editions: first the St.Petersburg with 13 lines: hundred years later in Kazan, with 13 lines too, but very different: The first Kazan edition, 1803, had only nine lines: Some pages from the 1809 print held by the Austrian National Library: one with 15 lines with pagination top middle: one of 1286/1852 with 17 lines, pagination top at the edges: one of 1307/1890 with 13 lines: Not only the layout changes, but the font as well: 1857 there were more stapeled forms than 1907 which shows that the KFE with its reduced set of forms (its base line emphasis, and clear connection between letter and vowel sign) was not extra-ordinary, but a child of the Zeitgeist. While first the type cutters wanted to come as close as possible to hand writing, they wanted to make the text as clear and readable as possible (once type set maṣāḥif were accepted). And there a new ones: ‒
Tuesday, 18 February 2025
KazanS
Just as there is not ONE King Fu'ad Edition but seven different ones,
as there is not THE Muṣṭafā Naẓīf Qadirġalī muṣḥaf, but two written by him (plus one re-arranged and maybe ten with (partialy) andalusized spelling
as there is not THE Šamarlī but four very different ones,
Tuesday, 11 February 2025
page layout in our time
This blog is called "No Standard"
and I often stress that Turkey has an orthography of its own.
But look at this: from Kazan, from Istanbul and from Madina Ḥafṣ, Dūrī and Qumbul:
Saturday, 8 February 2025
Monday, 27 January 2025
When was the KFE made?
Aziz Hilal's article Le Coran de 1924, histoire et enjeux politiques is excellent, well researched and important,
but I see a problem, that I see with many authors:
he often takes what is said/written at face value.
E.g. he believes that already in 1912 the government wanted an new mushaf, that "the committee" started to work long before 1919.
Aziz Hilal is better than his fellows because he puts the emergence of the muṣḥaf into a historical context ‒ the power struggle between king/the palace, parliament/the bourgeoisie (and azhar/the ʿulemaʾ) and ‒ the caliphal aspirations after the abolition of the Ottoman caliphate on 3.3.1924, forgetting Egypt's having left the Ottoman Empire after the start of WWI His most original discovery is, that the only discussion of the KFE is by a German, by Gotthelf Bergsträßer, that Egyptian, Turkish, Arab, Indian, Indonesian and Persian ʿulemaʾ, politicans and intellectuals ignore it, or ‒ at least ‒ were silent and mute about it. As important examples he cites ‒ the Diary/Journal by Muḥammad al-Aḥmadī al-Ẓawāhirī, Šaiḫ al-Azhar 1929‒1935 ‒ al-Azhar by ʿUṯmān Tawfīq and ʿAbd al-Ḥamīd Yūnus, 1946 ‒ al-Muslimūn wa-l-Aqbāṭ fī iṭār al-ǧamāʿa al-waṭaniyya, by Ṭāriq al-Bišrī, 1981, 899pp. None mentions the KFE at all.
Omar Hamdan's article is almost useless. His conlusion ‒ that the KFE does not closely follow the old mss, but either ad-Dānī/Abu Daʾud or a modern print (maybe the Muḫallalātī), was obvious before he started looking at it. If he had compared the KFE with both the Muqniʿ and the Tanzīl, and with an Indian print, a Maġribī print and the Muḫallalātī (plus an Ottoman print) instead of only with mss., the paper would have been useful. I assume that it would have shown that it follows most closely the Maġrib (indirctly Abu Daʾud Sulaimān Ibn Naǧāḥ).
some quotes from Azīz Hial's article: Muḥammad Abū al-Faḍl al-Ǧīzāwī (1874-1927), en poste entre 1917 et 1927 Signalons que son nom est mystérieusement remplacé par « ṣāḥib al-faḍīla, šayḫ ǧāmiʿ al-Azhar ». ((In the first small edition there is a seal: Muḥammad ʿAbu'l-faḍl)) Dès 1912, le gouvernement égyptien comptait éditer un muṣḥaf qui dépasse en qualité et en précision celui de Riḍwān al-Muḫallalātī. La postface à la première édition date du 10 rabīʿ al-ṯānī 1337 (13 janvier 1919) Pourquoi ne pas se contenter de reprendre le muṣḥaf de Riḍwān al-Muḫallalātī et le corriger ? si la postface de ce muṣḥaf porte la date du 13 janvier 1919, pourquoi attendre le 10 juillet 1924 pour le publier ? C’est dans ce contexte que le muṣḥaf, oublié depuis 1919, est à nouveau évoqué, afin de fournir un supplément de légitimité à la candidature du roi Fuʿād.
The paper by Asma Hilali can be reduced to one sentence: While in the 19th century, the Flügel edition served many Orientalists as text of reference, now the text of the KFE, the Madina Mushaf (Ḥafṣ by the KFComplex) and the simplified text of tanzil.net serve as reference. Here I have to congratulate. Three years ago, in the inviation to (her) conference, she had written
Asma Hilal writes in her introduction/"Liminaire" to the journal the opposite, that King Fu'ad initiated the book in 1924And he believes that its publication in 1924 had to do with Fu'ad's ambition to become caliph. So he has to assume that the project got "forgotten"(oublié) and later revived (évoqué à nouveau), As I see it, he overlooks three important points: that Egypt declared its independence from the Ottoman Empire at the end of 1914 (after 300 years), that the KFE was not a newly deviced written version as the Muḫallalati, but that the initiators wanted a non-Ottoman version (in a different spelling and not in high-court-nasḫ), that the main objective of (modernists in the Ministry of Education like) Hifni Bey was an easily readable version: baseline, clear (positional) link between vowel sign and base letter, space between words, space between lines I assume that the date of 12/13. January 1919 when the members of the commitee, the proof reader of the press and the Shaikh al-azhar signed is fictious, it is a couple of days before Hifni Bey died. I assume that al-Ḥusainī al-Ḥaddād wrote the muṣḥaf to be set half a year or so before the book got printed, but that the government wanted to include the initiator of the project among the signiatories, so it had to be dated before his death.
Aziz Hilal is better than his fellows because he puts the emergence of the muṣḥaf into a historical context ‒ the power struggle between king/the palace, parliament/the bourgeoisie (and azhar/the ʿulemaʾ) and ‒ the caliphal aspirations after the abolition of the Ottoman caliphate on 3.3.1924, forgetting Egypt's having left the Ottoman Empire after the start of WWI His most original discovery is, that the only discussion of the KFE is by a German, by Gotthelf Bergsträßer, that Egyptian, Turkish, Arab, Indian, Indonesian and Persian ʿulemaʾ, politicans and intellectuals ignore it, or ‒ at least ‒ were silent and mute about it. As important examples he cites ‒ the Diary/Journal by Muḥammad al-Aḥmadī al-Ẓawāhirī, Šaiḫ al-Azhar 1929‒1935 ‒ al-Azhar by ʿUṯmān Tawfīq and ʿAbd al-Ḥamīd Yūnus, 1946 ‒ al-Muslimūn wa-l-Aqbāṭ fī iṭār al-ǧamāʿa al-waṭaniyya, by Ṭāriq al-Bišrī, 1981, 899pp. None mentions the KFE at all.
Omar Hamdan's article is almost useless. His conlusion ‒ that the KFE does not closely follow the old mss, but either ad-Dānī/Abu Daʾud or a modern print (maybe the Muḫallalātī), was obvious before he started looking at it. If he had compared the KFE with both the Muqniʿ and the Tanzīl, and with an Indian print, a Maġribī print and the Muḫallalātī (plus an Ottoman print) instead of only with mss., the paper would have been useful. I assume that it would have shown that it follows most closely the Maġrib (indirctly Abu Daʾud Sulaimān Ibn Naǧāḥ).
some quotes from Azīz Hial's article: Muḥammad Abū al-Faḍl al-Ǧīzāwī (1874-1927), en poste entre 1917 et 1927 Signalons que son nom est mystérieusement remplacé par « ṣāḥib al-faḍīla, šayḫ ǧāmiʿ al-Azhar ». ((In the first small edition there is a seal: Muḥammad ʿAbu'l-faḍl)) Dès 1912, le gouvernement égyptien comptait éditer un muṣḥaf qui dépasse en qualité et en précision celui de Riḍwān al-Muḫallalātī. La postface à la première édition date du 10 rabīʿ al-ṯānī 1337 (13 janvier 1919) Pourquoi ne pas se contenter de reprendre le muṣḥaf de Riḍwān al-Muḫallalātī et le corriger ? si la postface de ce muṣḥaf porte la date du 13 janvier 1919, pourquoi attendre le 10 juillet 1924 pour le publier ? C’est dans ce contexte que le muṣḥaf, oublié depuis 1919, est à nouveau évoqué, afin de fournir un supplément de légitimité à la candidature du roi Fuʿād.
The paper by Asma Hilali can be reduced to one sentence: While in the 19th century, the Flügel edition served many Orientalists as text of reference, now the text of the KFE, the Madina Mushaf (Ḥafṣ by the KFComplex) and the simplified text of tanzil.net serve as reference. Here I have to congratulate. Three years ago, in the inviation to (her) conference, she had written
... l’édition du Coran du Caire ... est d’une importance capitale dans la société musulmane moderne et contemporaine ... L’édition du Caire met à disposition des musulmans ... une version du texte coranique qui deviendra progressivement la référence religieuse, liturgique ... la plus populaire dans le monde islamique. ... la popularité du Coran du Caire n’a jamais été remise en cause. ... un événement religieux s’adressant aux musulmans ... Ainsi, l’avènement du Coran du Caire a une portée qui dépasse la sphère de la croyance et qui prend sa place dans l’histoire de la civilisation islamique : histoire des institutions, histoire matérielle, histoire de la pensée religieuse et des études islamiques.All this bla-bla is gone. Al-ḥamdu-llāh So one can't say that A.H. has learned NOTHING in the four years that she prepared the conference and journal nummer. But although she thanks Alba Fedeli, Antoinette Ferrand and Dennis Halft for commenting and correcting her text, she still gets most things about the KFE wrong, and she lies: She writes that Ali Akbar had said that the KFE has no singular place, is just one among maṣāḥif from Singapore, Bombay, Lucknow and Istanbul. During the conference Ali Akbar had said: There is no trace what so ever of the KFE. Maybe, students in Cairo or Mekka Pilmgrims have brought a copy, but we do not know! There are unbelievable statements by A.H.: Although the KFE is important, because it is the first type set offset print of the qurʾān, A.H. writes in the introduction of the journal that the KFE was both edited and calligraphed by ʿAbd al-ʿAzīz al-Rifāʿī, who had nothing to do with it. It was edited by al-Ḥusainī al-Ḥaddād. It was set with about half of the sorts designed by Muḥammad Ǧaʿfar Bey (m. 1916) ‒ stacked ligatures, and mīm without white in the middle were used in the afterwords, but not in the qurʾānic text because Ḥifnī Bey Nāṣif wanted it to be clear = easily readable. Is it that A.H. is stupid or is this the consequence of the fact that she has never held a copy in her hands, that the IDEO did not acquire one of the many copies on the market? That she calls putting a number after each verse « versification » (instead of « numérotation » ) suggests the former. She claims that there was a special Ǧamāl ʿAbd al-Nāṣir edition, which I doubt because she does not give the date of publication, and a King Fārūq Edition, which is definetly wrong. ‒
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